My XML-DEV rant echoing back to me as Quote of the Day in Elliotte Rusty Harold's Cafe con Leche XML News and Resources.

"While some folks will deny it, so called XML industry evolved from and still revolves around XML-DEV. Yes, it’s full of whiners and arcane discussions sometimes, but that is just part of XML-DEV. OASIS is guilty of taking advantage of notoriety around XML-DEV to boost its own reputation and then let it rot like a ghetto."

"XML-DEV is not a mailing list. XML-DEV is a group of people who, over many years, have formed bonds, mutual respects, and learned to depend on each other. XML-DEV defines part of what each of us are for XML is and has been an important part of our professional lives.  And what has OASIS have done for XML-DEV? Yahoo Porn groups get better service than XML-DEV."
[Don Park on the xml-dev mailing list, Wed, 12 Mar 2003]

A tad too strong, no?  Len Bullard's replied with *group-hug*.  Funny.  I like Len, but I think he is in a bear hug with OASIS activities.